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Danyel Smith used to make a podcast in her kitchen. Smith, an creator, journalist and former editor in chief of Vibe journal, recorded it along with her husband, Elliott Wilson, a fellow journalist and the founding father of Rap Radar, between the sink and a bowl of fruit.

As one would possibly count on of a present hosted by longtime music journalists, the podcast, “Relationship Goals,” which ran from 2015 to 2016, featured a number of music — in between playfully adversarial banter about home {and professional} headlines. The tune placements, just like the present itself, had been carried out off the cuff — with out a lot forethought, skilled help or official permission.

“It was a little bit little bit of pirate podcasting,” Smith stated. “We weren’t part of a community, and this was earlier than podcasting had turn out to be tremendous well-liked. We might simply sit at our little kitchen desk and play music and speak about it.”

In its lack of approved music, “Relationship Objectives” wasn’t uncommon — the method of licensing music from official rights holders usually takes sources that many impartial podcast publishers don’t have. However when Smith determined to begin a brand new podcast final yr, impressed by her work on a coming guide in regards to the historical past of Black girls in pop music, she knew she needed to do issues in another way.

Because it occurred, so did Spotify.

“Black Girl Songbook,” Smith’s new podcast, is one in every of a number of music-focused reveals launched on the platform within the final yr that take a novel strategy to one of many business’s oldest issues. It makes use of a hybrid format, which Spotify calls “reveals with music” or “music and speak,” that allows creators to incorporate full songs from the service’s huge catalog into their podcasts freed from cost. (Spotify takes a 30 p.c lower of advertisements arrange via the service.) The format offers podcasters easy accessibility to music that will be tough or too pricey to achieve on their very own and presents listeners with a seamless interface for studying extra a few tune or including it to their library.

These listeners need to be utilizing Spotify — the format, designed to take advantage of Spotify’s present offers with music corporations, isn’t suitable with different platforms. And solely customers with a premium subscription will hear full songs; everybody else will get a 30-second preview. However for Smith and others, the trade-offs have to this point been value it.

“Full songs are the place the magic is,” Smith stated. “There’s nothing like teeing up a tune meaning a lot to me and that I do know will imply a lot to others if they only have the chance to listen to it.”

All podcasters who wish to use third-party, pre-existing music have confronted the identical impediment. In contrast to radio broadcasters, who can buy blanket licenses that give them rights to hottest songs, copyright legislation requires podcasts and different types of on-demand media to license songs individually. The prices, which, for a typical three-year time period, can vary from $500 to $6,000 per use, add up rapidly. Final fall, Hrishikesh Hirway, the host of the popular music podcast “Song Exploder,” introduced on Twitter that he would have to remove some episodes of the present due to mounting licensing charges. (The tweets had been later deleted. Hirway declined to remark.) “Relationship Objectives” confronted comparable challenges — most episodes of the present are not on-line.

Many podcasts that function music get round licensing via an exception to copyright legislation referred to as “truthful use,” which permits for the utilization of small parts of copyrighted materials for particular functions, together with remark and criticism. However fair-use defenses have an inconsistent monitor file in courtroom, and as podcasts have grown in recognition, rights holders have turn out to be extra aggressive.

Deborah Mannis-Gardner, a music clearance knowledgeable — she has labored on the podcasts “Damaged File” with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell and Bruce Headlam; and “The Midnight Miracle,” with Dave Chappelle, Yasiin Bey and Talib Kweli — stated she has seen an uptick in inquiries from D.I.Y. creators.

“They’ve to find out how vital the music is to them, how related it’s to the podcast and whether or not or not that’s well worth the few {dollars} they’ve of their finances,” Mannis-Gardner stated. “I at all times inform individuals, ‘When you simply need one thing that sounds cool, have a composer do a work-for-hire or use a music library.’”

When Smith was conceiving of “Black Woman Songbook,” she needed to create a platform that celebrated and uplifted artists, significantly the ignored or underappreciated. Her guide, “Shine Brilliant,” due in September from One World, is a component memoir, half reappraisal of Black feminine musicians via historical past, from Massive Mama Thornton to Rihanna.

The podcast takes the same strategy however brings collectively private reflections, archival recordings and artist interviews alongside the music itself. One episode charts Sade’s journey from London-based immigrant learning style design to worldwide famous person; one other revisits Natalie Cole’s media-fueled rivalry with Aretha Franklin; an interview with Corinne Bailey Rae connects her ebullient hit, “Put Your Records On,” to her early experiences sporting a pure coiffure.

“So many occasions once I’m interviewing somebody, the ladies will say to me, ‘Nobody has ever requested me that,’” Smith stated. “Even when Black girls are within the highlight, they’re hardly ever getting the type of essential consideration that they deserve.”

As with all music-and-talk reveals on Spotify, the themes of “Black Woman Songbook” obtain not solely the standard press publicity however compensation: Artists are paid for performs inside the present similar to they’re elsewhere on the service. (Many musicians say these funds remain too small.) Courtney Holt, a vice chairman at Spotify, in contrast the format to Spotify playlists, describing it as a brand new approach to deepen the corporate’s relationship with customers.

“We predict extra individuals wish to have these kinds of content-based conversations round music,” he stated. “It in the end drives extra music engagement, it drives extra artist love, and it makes Spotify that rather more sticky.”

Spotify permits anybody to create a music-and-talk present via Anchor, the podcast-production software program it bought in 2019. There are presently over 20,000 music-and-talk reveals on the service, a lot of that are comparable in tone and construction to FM radio. A lot of the extra bold reveals to this point are produced by Spotify or its subsidiaries: “Black Woman Songbook,” for instance, is produced by The Ringer; and “Homicide Ballads,” a story-driven collection that spotlights lurid people songs lined by the likes of Nirvana and Johnny Money, is from Gimlet.

Rob Harvilla, a longtime music critic and the host of one other Ringer music-and-talk present, “60 Songs That Explain the ’90s,” stated the podcast, his first, affords him a extra tactile relationship with the music he covers. Every week, the present dives into a unique tune from the Nineties — Alanis Morissette’s “You Oughta Know,” Missy Elliott’s “The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)” — with a gap monologue from Harvilla and a dialog with a particular visitor.

“What cracked the present open for me was with the ability to work together with the songs,” Harvilla stated. “Folks listening can hear the tone of voice, the lyrics, the guitar solo — it makes issues a lot extra vivid, whether or not I’m doing astute essential evaluation or only a dumb joke.”

For Smith, who, because the editor of Vibe within the late ’90s, was an early champion of artists like Grasp P and Lauryn Hill, the brand new format has meant a return to outdated rules.

“At Vibe, my whole life was about placing individuals on the quilt that different magazines wouldn’t — people who couldn’t get booked to carry out on ‘The Tonight Present,’” she stated. “I needed to create more room to serve the underserved, not just for the ladies who’re featured, however for the listeners who don’t get sufficient of what makes them comfortable.”